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  2. TVB-1040

The initial conditions are conduction speed dependent



    • Bug
    • Status: Closed
    • Major
    • Resolution: Fixed
    • None
    • 1.1
    • TVB-Simulator


      Due to the initial method in models. The amplitude of the diffusion process,
      nsig, is rescaled by the length and the integration time step size. So, while
      the scaling makes sense in order to respect the time scale at which the
      diffusion process occurs, the speed affects the initial conditions, which is a

      Discussions with Stuart:

      In the current implementation initial conditions are set so the total amount
      of diffusion is bounded to the state-variable-ranges.

      Even without the scaling by length, the change in length will mean a different
      time over which the basic diffusion process operates, so a change in
      conduction speed will still produce different initial conditions – possibly
      more noticeable due to the different amplitude achieved by the diffusion as a
      result of the time over which it operates.

      Solutions: Read more about setting the initial history for delayed systems. h

      0) Form the literature, very often it is seen that the initial history is a
      constant vector with the initial values for the ODE system (dummy solution).

      1a) Separate the noise source's nsig and the state-variable-range bounding.
      1b) Set nsig using an actual integration so it's properly scaled by dt, and
      including a simple forcing term set based on state-variable-range,
      ie: dx/dt =a x where "a" is automatically set inversely proportional state-variable

      2) TVB's integrators may as well be used, with their noise, which probably
      means we could drop the separate Model noise entirely.
      + Make sure to reverse the time after the integration, so that the changes in
      speed, and thus length, only changes history furthest in the past.

      3) To stick to the diffusion approach: the desired result should be achievable by
      using a constant scaling factor for nsig, instead of the current history
      length dependent one. For a single constant value to achieve the current
      purpose of the scaling (ie, keeping it within sensible bounds), the constant
      would need to be set by replacing the current history length by the longest
      possible history length, that is, that caused by the slowest permitted
      speed... This would produce less broadly diffused initial conditions than
      currently for most speeds.

      There was also the issue that for some models whose state variables
      represent firing rates, the range had to be set very narrow, otherwise in the
      initial history some negative values appeared, which is not strictly
      correct for that type of models.

      4) Using a constant scaling, as mentioned above, that considers the longest permitted
      history for the rate of diffusion, combined with a truncated normal distribution for the
      random variates, scipy has one:
      should make it possible to turn the "probably bounded" above into a "strictly bounded".
      That is, something like setting set the truncation to:
      ((max_svr - min_svr)/2)/max_steps
      should work, shouldn't it??? It should mean that, starting from the mid point, taking the
      extremely unlikely worst case of every random variate returned being a maximum, ie at
      the cutoff, would over the history length (max_steps) leave you at the boundary of the
      Implementing this neatly would probably require modifying TVB's noise so
      that there is an option to use truncnorm instead of normal as the form of the
      random stream, and then making use of this for the Model's noise definition...

      And the longest possible history is based on the steps required to represent
      the maximum time delay, which depends on dt, the speed and the longest fiber
      distance – on average 100 mm according to:

      Schüz A, Braitenberg V. 2002. The human cortical white matter: quantitative
      aspects of cortico-cortical long-range connectivity. In: Schüz A, Miller R,
      editors. Cortical areas: unity and diversity. London: CRC Press. p 377–385.
      Schuz and Braitenberg

      However, in some datasets (eg http://heliosphan.org/pittsburghbraincomp.html)
      the longest white matter fiber is said to be over 200mm --always speaking of
      cortico-cortical connections.

      How the delays operate in TVB:
      The delayed_state gives the state of the process at a time prior to the
      current time. It takes the coupling variable, "cvar", given by the model to
      know which of the history variables to report. Then, a delay index gives
      the time delay (state further in the history array) at which to obtain the
      value/state of the selected coupling variable.

      Gliffy Diagrams




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